Intuition, Premonition, or Coincidence? – Ep. 233

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[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_04] Odd Trails. Forget facts. Forget logic. Forget everything that seems real. You just trust. Believe.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_05] I saw a cloud turn into a plane by Krobe. I was driving to work. It was around 6.30am. I was stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic, and I was looking at an unusually small cloud in the sky. Now, don't worry. I could see the car in front of me in my periphery. This cloud caught my attention because it was unusually small, but I didn't expect it to be anything other than a cloud.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_05] I was staring at this cloud for maybe 5-10 seconds, and then suddenly, very quickly, over the course of probably a quarter of a second, the cloud collapsed perfectly into its center. At the exact moment at which it collapsed, a plane appeared from the exact center point, and it was just flying normally.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_05] I stared at the plane for a while to see if it would transform again, but it just remained a plane until I couldn't see it anymore. The cloud was roughly as tall as it was wide, and it was translucent instead of fully opaque. The cloud was several times larger than the plane that had appeared from its center after it collapsed. The cloud was stationary, but once it collapsed, the plane that appeared from its center was flying normally.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_05] It was flying at the same altitude as any other commercial jetliner. Here's why I don't think it was a hallucination or an illusion. I don't have any history of hallucinations. I don't have any mental conditions that would cause me to hallucinate, nor do any of my family members. I had not taken any drugs or medications at the time. I had been an entirely sober person for years.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_05] I wasn't super tired or drowsy, and I had already been awake for over an hour by the time I saw it happen. And I wasn't feeling stressed out that day. It was broad daylight, no fog, and the sky was clear except for a few clouds. This small cloud that turned into a plane was by itself, surrounded by only clear blue sky. Potential explanations that I don't believe are,

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_05] The cloud was roughly as tall as it was wide, so it wasn't a contrail. I didn't notice any planes flying nearby when I saw this happen. I thought maybe the plane came from behind the cloud, but the cloud was so small that I likely would have seen the plane coming toward it in the 5-7 seconds before the cloud collapsed.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_05] But this still wouldn't explain why the cloud collapsed, and why it did it so quickly, perfectly, and uniformly into its exact center. I thought maybe my eyes were unfocused at first without realizing it, but if that were the case, the plane would have looked more like two planes instead of a cloud. I also would have realized afterward that my eyes were unfocused.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_05] I also thought that maybe the plane sucked the cloud into its engines, but again, I likely would have seen the plane coming toward the cloud before it collapsed. And even then, a plane would not suck a cloud into its engine so quickly and perfectly. I thought maybe it could be light glaring off the side of the plane, but the cloud was several times larger than the plane, and a glare is very different from a cloud.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_05] As soon as I saw it happen, I went on to chat GPT and I used voice mode so that I could describe what I saw while driving, not texting, but speaking. I did this partly because I was dumbfounded, but also because I wanted to record what I saw. I knew that if I didn't, my future brain would have convinced me it was a false memory and that I was making it up. About 20 minutes later, sitting in the car park at my job,

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_05] I texted my friend Chanel to tell her what I saw. Later that day, at about 1pm, I texted my pal Madeline. I wanted to tell her the story as well. I can't include screenshots of the texts or my chat GPT chat log, but if you want to read them, you can visit my profile on Reddit and see the screenshots of my previous post, which is identical to this one, but posted in another subreddit.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_05] I'm still open to the possibility that it was a hallucination, but there's no reason to believe that, besides the fact that I saw a cloud turn into a plane. Now there is a military base in the area, and it's in the countryside, so I'm wondering if maybe it was some kind of experimental military technology. It sounds bonkers, but then again, this whole thing is bonkers.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_05] Has anyone else seen this, or does anyone have any ideas as to what happened?

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_03] Deathrattle by KL I'm reaching out because you were recently discussing intuition. I have a good sense of uneasy paranormal experiences in my life, but one experience in particular leans more towards what can only be described as intense intuition that lasted for months. I have a bunch of things to share with you. I was a bicycle mechanic working a race.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_03] I say was because I've since changed careers, due in part to this day, and what would later occur. A part of my job at the race was to work as mechanical support when someone needed it while out on a ride. When you're working support, you do not speed, but you're still very focused on making it to your next call as quickly and safely as possible.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03] So as I'm driving to a race, I receive a call. I feel a sudden shock to my entire system, telling me to pull over. It felt as if someone yelled in my ear, you need to stop. Now. It was enough time for me to pull over, have the car behind me pass, and for me to say to myself, what the heck am I doing, and get back on the road. Within two minutes of driving,

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03] I crest over a hill and see the car in front of me screeching to a stop. The car that passed me smashed into a cyclist who had gone through a stop sign. The cyclist happened to be part of the race I was working. The man didn't have time to stop. I park and I run out of the van and go check the scene. We were surrounded by cornfields with no other people in sight. The man driving starts going into AFib.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_03] He's a 60-something-year-old man on a 93-degree day. He has just, as far as he can tell, killed a man. He's not doing well either. I get him to go sit in my work van with AC and water. I go to check on the man who was hit. He was unconscious and making a noise that I assumed were his lungs, filling with blood. I called 911,

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_03] but we were so far away from town that an ambulance didn't arrive for another 25 minutes. I try calling every single medical person I know, and no one answers the phone. I call the person in charge of the race, and they don't have a medical team. I sat with the man as I heard the death rattle for the first time, and God, I hope that was the last.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_03] The ambulance pulls up and ushers me away from him. He died with me in the cornfield as the man who hit him got treated by the EMT. I don't know why I got that feeling to pull over, but if I hadn't, I believe I would have been the person to hit him, or not have been there at all. I don't know. But something happened, and it's a feeling I haven't been able to shake. That eerie feeling,

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_03] and also the absolute heartbreak I feel for that man's family, and the man who hit him. All involved. Just horrific. That night I had my birthday party. The gratitude I felt for my friends that night was equal to the nightmare of that experience. Months after this, I was experiencing what my therapist says was a heightening of my nervous system, overwhelmed by the trauma.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_03] My friend believed I was a psychic. My intuition was on another level. I wasn't aware of it, until the friend who believed I was a psychic called it out. Here's a few examples she pointed out. I mentioned in my bike shop, It would be cool to see a bridge stone roll through here. We never really get one. It's a very uncommon bike. Highly unlikely to find.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03] The next bike through the door is a bridge stone. Number two. I say out loud to my friend, I haven't seen Stephanie in ages. I would love to run into her. Stephanie shows up in the next coffee shop my friend and I step into. Mind you, we were two hours away from the same town we all live in, and she had no intention of being there that day, in the middle of her work day. Number three.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_03] I'm supposed to go to dinner at this restaurant. It's one of my favorites. Right before we get there, I get this twist in my stomach. I feel the ick about the food suddenly, as if I had spent hours vomiting from it. I tell my friends, Guys, I don't know why, but I feel sick thinking about this place. Could we go somewhere else? They didn't really oblige, because to be fair, it's busy everywhere,

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03] and they had reservations. I just headed home, saying my stomach was upset, but the second I walked away, I felt 100% fine. They all got food poisoning from the muscles they ate. Number four. I knew who was going to be on the phone before I answered it at work, four times in a row, and it wasn't the usual customers. Number five. I guessed who the next person would be

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_03] that walked through the door at my shop. Number six. I predicted what my friend would be wearing when we went out to lunch, to a T. I could just see her like I had seen her the day before, and she was wearing a brand new vest. Number seven. I looked at my friend, and he appeared sort of like his energy wasn't matching what he was saying. Like he appeared fuzzy in some way.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03] I don't know how to describe it. I asked him if he felt okay, and he seemed genuinely confused that I asked, and everyone around me seemed confused that I was concerned about him. Fifteen minutes later, he had appendicitis. He's okay now, by the way. And what's wild is that he claimed he didn't have any pain before. I always thought you'd have a warning for something like that. During this time,

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_03] my sense of people was pretty heightened as well. I went for a ride with a person who was a very casual friend of mine, just somebody I ride bikes with occasionally. I left the ride thinking, something is super uneasy about him. He's on edge, and he makes me uncomfortable. And he has in the past. But everyone likes this guy. Adores him. I called my husband after the ride and said,

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03] I don't know about this guy. I've decided I don't like him. A month later, he goes to prison for sexual assault. I know this may just be what my therapist is explaining as a heightened nervous system. I get that. And I'm in agreement. But I can't hide how deeply eerie and paranormal it all feels. I keep thinking there's the whole, yeah, the moment passed, so of course you can see the patterns

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03] after the fact. But it's the constant, verbal evidence I have of recognizing the pattern before it even happens. Like I said, intuition is wild. Or do you think it could be something else? I don't know. I haven't had anything like this happen since December. And to the people who lost their dad, husband, friend, or uncle, whatever he may have been to you,

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_03] I'm greatly sorry for your loss. I think of you all every day.

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[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_05] Shadow Humanoid Creature by Joshua. I'm a person who can see ghosts regularly. One night, I went to a football match. It was around 9 or 11 p.m. I was dead tired after the match, and all I wanted to do was lie on my bed and sleep. I stay in an apartment building with five floors. I'm on the fourth floor. My building has emergency stairs on each wing

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_05] and a lift in the middle block. I personally do not like taking the stairs as they give me a creepy vibe. I always feel like somebody's following me. So that day, the lift wasn't working, and I was forced to take the stairs. I was reciting prayers while going up, and I didn't like the feeling of being watched. Every time I take the stairs, I get goosebumps.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_05] When I was on the second floor, I still had four flights to reach mine. The staircase has a spiral design where you can see the bottom flights in the middle. Something made me look down, and from the ground floor, this black shadow with a humanoid shape started running upwards. My initial thought was that it was just someone taking the stairs, until I looked again and I realized the speed

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_05] at which it was coming up. It was not normal. I then heard a loud screech. That sound still traumatizes me to this day. The minute I heard it, I knew I had to run for my life. Four flights of stairs as fast as I could. I could see that it was catching up to me, but I reached my floor and sprinted towards my apartment. Thank God my family had not locked the front grill,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_05] because as soon as I entered, I saw the figure standing just outside, no more than three feet away. It was just staring at me. But there was no face. It was like an abyss, black and shaped like a human. I then watched it turn back toward the staircase and disappear. I had a high fever for one week, and ever since then, I have never taken the staircase again,

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_05] even when the lift is under maintenance. I'll walk to another wing and take the other stairs.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03] Cheer Camp by Cherish This happened in the summer of 2017. I was going into my sophomore year of high school and had made the cheer team for the second time. Every summer before cheer camp, we practiced for about a month and a half. That year, camp was held at Northwest Missouri State University. Our cheer team, along with a few others, stayed at Roberta Hall, where a student

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03] had died in the 1950s. At the time, none of us knew that. When we first got there and put our stuff in the dorms, one of the girls on the team I was close with asked me to explore the building with her. We'll call her Jamie. On the second floor, there was an area where students could sit and study, and immediately when I walked in, I got a funny feeling in my chest and stomach, along with the chills.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_03] On the wall was a picture of Roberta. Jamie pointed it out. At the time, I didn't really care because I just wanted to leave the room because of all the weird vibes. We ended up leaving because camp was about to start. The next morning at breakfast, we had made some acquaintances with the other teams, and that's when the stories about Roberta started spreading around. There were about four different versions about how she died,

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_03] so later at lunch, I decided to look it up for myself. Apparently, there used to be train tracks behind the residence hall, and one day a storage gas tank exploded and injured four women. One of them was Roberta Steele, who died 19 months later. In her honor, they named the hall after her. Even though the story itself wasn't terrifying, anything involving ghosts scared me.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_03] I was too paranoid to be alone in the dorms by myself. After a long day of cheering, my roommate Mika and I were hanging out in our dorm room with Jamie and another cheer sister, Asia, just talking like high school girls do. In the middle of our conversation, we heard a loud knock at the door. Jamie was sitting closest to it and opened it not even three seconds later, thinking maybe

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_03] it was our coach or another teammate. No one was there. I thought Jamie was joking at first, because from where I was sitting on the bed, I couldn't fully see the hallway. But when I got up to check for myself, she was right. Nobody was there. There was a staircase down the hall from our room, but unless whoever knocked was a track star, there was no way they made it to the stairs in three

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03] seconds without us hearing them. Our suite mates weren't in their room at the time either. We all just sat there in nervous silence, and as a joke, I said, maybe it was Roberta. We laughed it off and kept talking. A few minutes later, we started hearing knocking on the ceiling. Assuming it was people above us being loud, we started throwing stuff at the ceiling to mess with them back,

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03] and hopefully to get them to quiet down. About twenty minutes later, Asia and Jamie left because of curfew. Mika and I stayed up talking, and before going to sleep, she mentioned something that made my stomach drop. When we first arrived at camp, we had complained about being placed all the way on the third floor because we knew we'd be exhausted from taking the stairs after long days of cheering.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03] Roberta Hall only had three floors. There wasn't anyone above us. I didn't sleep at all that night because I kept trying to justify who or what was knocking on our ceiling. It's been years now, and it's funny looking back at four teenage girls throwing stuff at the ceiling thinking there were people above us, but it still gives me weird vibes knowing it may have been something

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03] else entirely.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_05] strange coincidences by Lynn. So truly strange things happen to me often enough

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_05] that I've given a name to them. So when I'm telling my friends and family about them, they see that yes, indeed, it's a common occurrence to an uncanny degree. I call them lincidents. You know, my name mixed with incident. This seems like the perfect place to share one. This morning, I randomly thought of my grandfather who passed away in 2014. I realized I never knew what his position was

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_05] at the job he retired from. I wondered if maybe his obituary mentioned it, so I looked it up online. It didn't say anything specific about his career, but it did mention the two pastors who presided over his funeral service. one was their current pastor, and one was the former pastor who had moved away, but loved my grandfather and grandmother so much that he led half of the service. And I remembered that man. He was the

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_05] pastor the few times I went to church with my grandparents as a little girl. He was a very nice Greek man, and I really liked his accent. So, at this point, I moved on past his career, and I was thinking of this Greek man who was so kind and spoke so highly of my precious grandfather. Again, this was this morning. Well, about three hours later, I was checking out at Walmart, and there at the register over from

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_05] me stood the man. I wasn't 100% sure at first, but a man walked up to him and said, hello, brother Bill. I hadn't seen this man since 2014. I thought of him as a result of a completely random inquiry about my late grandfather's career. I spent a solid moment thinking of how fond we all are of him. Three hours later, he was standing next to me. Another

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_05] lincident.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03] One Final Goodbye by Nora. This happened a year ago. I'll try to keep it concise. For some context, my boyfriend and I live in a tourist town on the coast of New England. And like many, my boyfriend is a longtime service industry worker. It's a small town, and if one is to go out to the bars after a long day of work, you quickly begin to recognize and know

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_03] all the same familiar faces you'll see night after night. My boyfriend got to knowing a kitchen manager named Romeo when they worked together for a season, and remained friendly with him when he went on to manage a nearby brewery and restaurant. I met him a few times myself on nights out on the town, and didn't know him very well, but we had a polite rapport. One particularly sunny, summer, hungover

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03] Saturday morning, my boyfriend and I made our way through town to get some greasy diner breakfast food in an attempt to absorb some of the prior evening's residual booze. We walked past the brewery Romeo managed. The front of the brewery's building is made up almost entirely of big windows that start at the ground and reach almost the top of the wall. When we looked at them, we saw Romeo preparing to open the brewery

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_03] for the day, wiping down the front windows on the inside. He smiled and waved at us both as we waved back. Because it was so bright outside, and he had not yet turned on the lights inside the brewery, he appeared in a shimmery, shadowy blue light, highlighted by the reflections of the sun on the glass outside. We thought nothing of this interaction and continued to the diner another several blocks away.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03] We were seated there for not more than two minutes when my boyfriend's face dawned an odd look. He pointed out Romeo sitting by himself at the diner's counter behind me. Maybe it's not impossible, but it seemed pretty impossible timing-wise as well as in terms of common sense. I doubt he could have gone from opening up inside the brewery four or five blocks

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03] away to this busy diner and clearly before us. He had already been served food, and we both knew for sure it was Romeo who we saw in the brewery earlier. While I tried to be reasonable and questioned my boyfriend if that was really him sitting at the counter behind me, I knew it was. It was undeniably, distinctly, the same person, same face,

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03] same clothes, same everything. It was him. We gave up trying to make sense of it and kept trying to shake off her hangovers and eat our waffles. Like I said, it was busy in the diner and very loud and crowded, so this time Romeo didn't see us. Later that day, my boyfriend came home from running some errands and I remarked to him about our weird, kind of funny

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_03] experience we'd had that morning. I then noticed how solemn my boyfriend appeared, and he replied by telling me he ran into some mutual friends during his errands, and without any prompting, they asked if we heard the news about Romeo. They informed him that Romeo had unknowingly consumed a lethal amount of some botched party drug the night prior, passing away. I'm a skeptic, but I'm not

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03] a non-believer. With what surface-level knowledge I have of quantum and metaphysics, I think there may be more science-based explanations out there than we as humans have yet come to realize. But still, for multiple reasons, this remains one of the most bizarre and seemingly inexplicable events of my life.

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_05] And then the glitches started by Aggie Bridges.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_05] Last week on Monday, I was hanging out at a local gaming spot, and one of the regulars that I didn't know too well greeted me by saying, hey, how's bouldering going? I was startled and confused because I had no idea where this was coming from. I never bouldered before in my life. I'm also not very athletic looking, and I definitely couldn't ever be mistaken for someone who does that.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_05] But he insisted that we talked about this at length, and that he remembered it vividly. When I told him that it wasn't me that he had talked to, he looked at me like I was doing a bit or something, puzzled with a slight smile, like he was waiting for a punchline. I was serious though. I told him I've never done bouldering in my life, and that I don't really intend to. He was polite enough to stop insisting that we had

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_05] talked about it, and just asked, oh, are you afraid of heights? To which I replied, no, I'm just clumsy. I'd probably fall and break my back. We kept having a friendly conversation, and he was the nicest guy, so I figured he had me mixed up with someone else. As I was racking my brain trying to figure out how he could associate me with bouldering, I reflected on the only person I know

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_05] who does it, just a vague acquaintance of mine named Mina. I hadn't talked to or heard from her in about two years since she left the city to be closer to nature. I made a mental note to check in on her and see how she was doing, but I forgot about it as my day went on. That is until Tuesday night, right as I was about to sleep, a new post on Instagram popped up. It was Mina.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_05] Her first post in about a year. It was a video of her in a hospital bed getting surgery, holding containers full of pills. She had fallen while bouldering and broken her back in several places. I was completely in shock. I was feeling a deep sympathy for her. I contacted mutual friends and tried to piece together what happened, but no one knew. She hadn't posted a single thing

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_05] up until now. She was extremely private and lives in another city, so a lot of people just haven't kept in touch. I thought that was it. That's gotta be the whole story, right? So I went back the following Monday to the gaming spot. I saw the guy again and told him about my friend, thinking he'd get a kick out of the coincidence. I showed him the video, and he expressed his condolences, then paused on a part where she was showing her scar.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_05] He turned around and lifted his shirt. It was the same scar. He told me he had been in a similar accident, albeit one where he fell from a balcony as a teenager. He had also broken his back. He was a paraplegic, just like her. It was a long road to recovery, but now he's able to walk without so much as a limp. I was absolutely slack-jawed at this. It's an insane

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_05] coincidence. Maybe the craziest one I've had in my life. There are other smaller things like me having a back injury, L4-S1 herniated discs, and my parents both being doctors who treat this sort of injury. My dad is a spine surgeon, and my mom is a rehabilitation doctor. I also had a weird, bad feeling when Mina told me about her plan to move. I just can't help but feel a bit guilty, as if it's somehow my fault for not

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_05] saying something. But I barely know her, so it's not as if my words would have changed her mind. I don't know, I just feel strange about it. I half want to tell her, but I also don't see how any of this would be relevant or helpful to her right now. I also doubt walking again is in the cards for her, but this was such a strange and surreal experience.

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_05] Alright, good stories. Let's jump into the feedback. Jesus Chuttleworth says, Big support, saw you at Let's Not Meet recording live in Seattle. Whatever happened to the TV series that you were going to do? Now, this is not anything related to Odd Trails, but they left this on the Odd Trails comments, so I just wanted to address it. Thanks for coming to Seattle show. Unfortunately, you didn't get to see Brandon. He performed at our Utah show. Performed indeed, yeah.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_05] if it does get made, hopefully that leads to something we do with Odd Trails down the road. Everybody seems to be interested, but it always ends up being we don't have the money to do it right now. We're going to keep doing it. We still have meetings. We still have people that are interested. Maybe 20 years down the road, we'll get a Let's Not Meet TV series and then an Odd Trails

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03] TV series. Hey, that'd be nice. The whole format seems in a weird spot. There's a, I don't want to say lower barrier of entry, but people are able to create things more. You know what I mean? Look at us, podcasters, compared to radio. A lot of people can just go out and make things. I don't know why this is the first thing I'm thinking of. The guys from Workaholics, kind of like that. They just started with their own thing and it grew into something else. That was even on cable, but now with the internet and viral

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03] content and everything, you see everything. So it could happen.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, the streaming business is hurting right now. Everybody's dropping their prices. Well, at least people are starting to drop their prices. So nobody really has money to be spending on new stuff. There are a lot of stuff that's getting canceled, a lot of stuff that is getting made as budgets are cut big time. We're in an entertainment recession right now, but let's get on with the show.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_03] Sure, sure, yeah. JH, episode 232 as well, said, since you guys are talking time loops and being fans of that genre, have you seen Netflix's Dark, a German show regarding this topic? I'm in my 50s and it's the best thing I've ever consumed. No, I have not, but you're speaking highly of that, the best thing you've ever consumed. Wow. Okay, let's do it.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, so this is a little bit older, I think it's from the 20 teens. It's been recommended to me so many times and I did try watching it and I really wanted to get into it, but the dubs kind of ruined it for me. So I just need to restart and try with the subs, with the original voice acting. I think the only time I really like dubs are when they're kind of funny, like old Dario Argento movies, like Italian horror from the 70s and stuff. That totally works for some reason. And a lot of the times they speak in English

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_05] sometimes and then they switch to Italian.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03] It's like dubbed English almost, like in some of Bruce Lee's movies. I swear they're overdubbing existing English with other voice actors. It's so weird, but I like that too. I love those kinds of movies. Yeah, for some reason dubbing actually works.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_05] It makes it almost creepier in some cases.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03] Jackie Chan's Legend of Drunken Master, one of the best dubs ever. And there's like three different ones, three different English dubs, but they're all good for different reasons and it's kind of cool to see how they differ in the translations. Like with anime, you can watch with subs on with the dub and it's like, well, these subtitles aren't matching but like the intent is coming across the same. It's really cool. I like that sort of thing.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_05] That's one of the few things that I prefer dubbed as well. I actually like dubbed anime. Let's see, Loretta says, I think me and my 13 year old son both have ADHD. We were talking about ADHD in the last episode. It only takes something like dropping a bag of chips or something else simple to happen to throw my entire day into a spiral of doom and anger. Yep, yep. Yes, same. I see myself and how ridiculous I'm acting, yes, but I can't stop my ugly mood. I set an

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_05] appointment to have my son be diagnosed but not for myself because I have a hard time following through with commitments that I make. It makes it harder to make it to work every day. I stress and procrastinate until I finally ditch it all together. Hey, you're sounding a lot like Brandon and I.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, no kidding. That hits home so much. Every point. At least see a doctor and see because yeah, you could get some good support and I think it might help you out. It seems like you already have the answers to what's going on. But there is some power to ADHD. When you can get in that hyper-focus mode, there is nothing like it. You're just so locked in and it's euphoric. I love it.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_05] When I edit episodes, I just get locked in. I almost feel like I'm floating out of my body sometimes. It's like I feel loose, like I'm just wiggling around in space.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_03] The whole waiting until the very last minute for things and then you just jump forward at light speed but it's like it gets done.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, I do that sometimes. Let's see, last one here, Vaco. Thanks for sharing my submission and yes, it's pronounced Vaco. I smiled at the A.A. Milne, there's another one, connection. I didn't know the original voice actor's name was Sterling Holloway but I will always remember that Sterling and I had an ongoing petty tiff about Winnie the Pooh, another synchronicity. Mainly, he thought it was dumb and I loved it. Also, I love the work of A.A. Milne. Yeah, that's a

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_05] weird synchronicity that you and your friend Sterling had that weird argument about Winnie the Pooh. I actually really enjoy Winnie the Pooh and I read this book called The Tao of Pooh that was really, really good about Taoism and it just related Taoism to Winnie the Pooh stories and that kind of got me hooked on Pooh at a younger age and yeah,

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_03] be like Pooh. Be like Pooh, not a yore. Some of us can't help it though. Yeah. So the first story I wanted to talk about was by Nora, the one final goodbye. So at first I thought this was going to be a glitch in the matrix type of thing. I don't know about you,

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_05] yeah, yeah, same. I was thinking like a time slip since they saw Romeo at the diner and didn't expect him to have died,

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03] obviously. Yeah, definitely interesting, kind of a curveball there. I also really like how Nora phrased the last part of her story, something like there's more science-based explanations out there that we haven't come to realize yet.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_05] yeah,

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_03] the whole reality is stranger than fiction thing, I guess is what she's saying. Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a close call for me, but I think scientific breakthroughs are a lot more exciting than wondering if supernatural things are true. Don't shoot me, don't shoot me. I know.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_05] At least we say this as paranormal podcasters.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_03] At least if it's something revealed about the universe that we hadn't known before, that's just like really cool. if we find out, I can't think of an example right now, but even if we found out there was like organisms, live organisms on Mars, I think that's a lot cooler than, oh, hey, is there a, I don't know, whatever, insert cryptid thing. Ghost. Yeah, ghost. Are ghosts real?

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, yeah, I don't find ghosts to be all that interesting compared to something like life on Mars. I agree.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03] Yep. I think we can kind of assume that they are real ghosts and spirits.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_03] It's hard to measure and it's hard to recreate, but I think there's enough circumstantial evidence throughout time to say that they're real.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_05] Well, that's the thing. With anything supernatural, we're going on circumstantial evidence, so we really can't say definitively they are true. We can't make that claim because that is just a claim. We can't back it up because personal testimony can't hold up in court. We can't prove that ghosts exist. There have been ghosts caught on camera. There have been ghostly voices caught on audio, but it's not proof. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, we haven't proven that. But we have so much circumstantial

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_05] evidence that it's fun to, I think, just entertain the idea that they're real.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_03] You know what is funny, though? Testimony is considered direct evidence in court, but something like a thumb print is considered circumstantial. That's so stupid. What are we doing? You can grill them and try to poke holes in it, but if you have one eyewitness and that's their testimony, that's still considered direct evidence. You find somebody's hat at the crime scene, nope, circumstantial. Maybe they're doing something else. I can't believe

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_05] that. But yeah, you can assume that ghosts are real, but you can't say that they are and you can't live your life telling people that they are real. You can't do that. You can believe that they're real, but that doesn't make them real.

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_03] And last thing, test your drugs. Really sad to hear about Romeo's passing and it's easy. They're super cheap. Get a kit online, scrape off a little bit of the exterior and a little bit of the interior and get a good little bit and just drop a little droplet on it. But I mean, the number one thing is don't do drugs. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I meant to say.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_05] But if you're going to do drugs, which we don't recommend, be safe about it.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, the war on drugs is doing a really good job. Hardy har har. Yeah. What story did you read that jumped out to you? Besides all of them, of course.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, they all kind of jumped out to me because they were all very interesting this week. I liked the cloud story about the cloud turning into the plane. After reading this story, I just found myself constantly looking at the clouds, wondering if one of them is going to transform into a plane. And super interesting story. I would not be surprised if there were cloaking abilities that made an aircraft look like a cloud.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_03] There 100% is. Oh, okay. Yeah, don't ask me how I know. Okay. So I think that's what we're dealing with here. I should edit this out, whatever. I mean, that's the most likely explanation of what's going on here. Maybe it seems like geometry and timing would have to line up way too perfectly, like a plane going towards the author, or at least directly toward the author, so it appeared maybe motionless and blended into this haze

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03] or cloud, and then the angle eventually shifted just enough for their brain to suddenly separate the two.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_05] No, the plane, they didn't even see the plane before the cloud. It came out of the cloud.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03] Well, that's what I mean. Like, they're looking at the cloud, but it was like traveling at the same trajectory. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. Towards the author, their motion shifted, but like the geometry and the timing and everything else kind of lined up to have like a really weird, some sort of strange optical illusion.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, yeah. The only thing about that is the cloud got sucked up into the plane. Like, it's like the cloud transformed into the plane. That's the weird part.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_03] Oh, okay, yeah. Forget everything I said then unless the plane sucked up the cloud or I don't know. Good story though. Good story. Loved it. So good. I just want to cheer.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_05] Keep those segues coming.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03] Yep, I'll try. I'll try. Yeah, dying from an explosion. Big yikes. Rest in peace to Roberta Steele. I think it's plausible that it was her playfully making her presence known. I really like these sort of stories that they sound mild but it feels real. There are a lot of

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_05] reports of Roberta Hall being haunted by Roberta Steele. I looked into this a bit and it turns out Roberta Hall didn't actually die at the explosion near the residence hall. She actually died like a year later from liver failure but it was caused by the explosion. So she probably died in bed or at a hospital or something like that. I think most people according to historical documents think that she died in bed. I'm not sure there's probably more out there that I'm not reading about

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_05] but nonetheless that calls into question do people haunt where they die or do they haunt a place of significance?

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_03] And yeah like why go back there? That's really strange. I'm not too sure. That's a good question. Like if you get shot at a street corner then you get transferred to a hospital you haunt the street corner or the hospital.

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_05] I don't know. One of the evidence against ghosts existing every hospital in the world would be so haunted with ghosts. You would hear voices and footsteps and doors slamming and chains rattling at every hospital. That's the skeptic view of ghosts is like hey obviously all the hospitals would be haunted but that calls into question again maybe people don't haunt the places where they die. They haunt the places that are significant. But then again we have so many stories where people do haunt the places where they die.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_05] So you just have to entertain the idea of ghosts. You know?

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. And there are some haunted hospitals so I don't know. I don't think we really arrived anywhere. Yeah.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_05] Speaking of skepticism the one thing I'm not skeptical about is synchronicities and that's just because coincidences while on the surface they can be a way to explain certain phenomena. But in the case of things like with Lynn's story her strange coincidence story you can't explain this away by coincidence. It was so strange how it ended up being the same pastor and one thing about this story that I loved was the term

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_05] lincidence. I'd also like to suggest adding co-lin-cident to their vocab. This could well have been a coincidence or a co-incident but it reads a bit more like a synchronicity to me. I've had enough bizarre coincidences to throw out the idea that the universe sometimes synchronizes with us.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_03] You know what I mean? 100%. 100%. You got two good coincidence stories I guess with the bouldering story. Yeah. Really good stuff. I'm all for that. I think there is some sort of weird I can't think of the words but yeah everything just kind of fits into place too perfectly at times to think everything is just a weird accident of just complete chaos. Hopefully science can figure it out. We'll see.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah exactly. I love keeping an open mind to phenomena like this. I just hate when people think they have it figured out. Yeah. I read an article. Yeah. It's a mystery. We don't understand it. Even myself who I consider myself like at least well read on the idea of astral projection and out-of-body experiences. I still 100% don't know what's happening and I will gladly admit that it very well could be just all in your mind. It's just something that's going on with chemicals in your brain. I can admit that.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_05] I think that's what I like about this podcast. We can entertain these ideas without saying this is how it works. This is what's what.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_03] know what I mean? 100%. Just the fact that the CIA was concrete as far as more substantial things being unlocked or proven even. That could be a controlled experiment. Somebody who's talented enough to do that should be able to prove the biggest skeptics wrong by just traveling and blowing their minds by hey I told you so.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. And we don't see that. It's unfortunate.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_05] Robert But I really think that he should have spent a lot more time proving it to the public. But the mystery of it all is what keeps this podcast going and what keeps me interested in the paranormal and supernatural. I like the fact that we don't have answers. It's a mystery. I don't think that we need it. But one day maybe science will figure all this crap out. Maybe. Yeah. Anyways, thanks everybody so much for listening. If you got a story to share send it to stories at oddtrails.com sign up for our Patreon at patreon.com forward slash oddtrails to get ad-free

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_05] versions of all the episodes of the podcast. It's the best way to listen and it's the best way to support us. And make sure you check out the new episodes of my other podcast Let's Not Meet in the Old Time Radio Cast. See you guys next week. Stay safe. Peace out.